Comments on: AKC Parti Yorkie Registration? http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Margery Kirner http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-172 Margery Kirner Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:58:06 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-172 The problem with inexperienced breeders is,that they expect perfection when they buy a pup/dog. To reiterate,every dog has"genetic junk" whether it is in-bred or not. The trick is to keep the "junk" hidden. How do we keep the junk hidden? by out-crossing! In-breeding brings the Junk to the for-front,and by simply not breeding a dog because of a fault is not the way to go. This futher reduces the "gene pool" so now by getting rid of all the "junk dogs ,one would have nothing to breed to. So the solution lies in breeding dogs with faults to dogs that do not have the same fault. I said do not display that same fault,because we do not know if the dog we use has this hidden fault,so we take a gamble it does not have the same fault. Breeding animals with faults also depends on the degree of the fault. For example, if a dog has a slight underbite, and I said slight ---not a deformed jaw. One would pick a dog with a perfect scissors to breed to, in the hopes that this will correct the bite. One cannot discard a beautiful dog because of a single fault. The only exception to this rule would be temperment. A dog must have a good temperment to be used in a breeding program. Liver-shunt is another. No dog is perfect,and if it does have serious defects the dog should be euthanized. Don't give your crap for someone else to deal with! Most problems can be corrected by dudicious breeding practices. Years ago when I was actively showing St Bernards a lady approached me wanting my opinion on whether she could show her dog or not. The dog was gorgeous! typy, massive, correct head,level top-line and superb angulation in the rear. I pushed down on his rear with all my strength, testing his hips for any weakness. His gaits were true and straight,with an amazing amount of animation for a Saint. He was a breeders dream,correct in every way,and not crippled with displasia like most Saints at the time. There was one thing wrong with him however,he lacked the symetrical mask known for the St Bernard. His right eye had the marking ,his left eye did not! Much like some of the parti dogs we now see. He was classified as a "mis-mark" and could never finish! What a pity that this otherwise almost perfect dog was denied his place in history because of a lack of color on his face. He would have contributed the one thing that the breed lacked over all----great hips!! So a great dog was lost because of a mis-mark. He could have stamped his genes on many Saint bitches of the day to improve their hips!So I say again to all breeders,take your lemons,take a good look at their faults---shave them down if you have to--- see the faults and then breed them to a dog that does not have this fault! Change your stud dogs frequently--- this is important to keep the junk at bay! Don't keep breeding the same stud to the same dog. See what clicks! Buy another stud,and keep the gene pool flowing! My opinion Margery,Acorn manor yorkies. The problem with inexperienced breeders is,that they expect perfection when they buy a pup/dog. To reiterate,every dog has”genetic junk” whether it is in-bred or not. The trick is to keep the “junk” hidden. How do we keep the junk hidden? by out-crossing! In-breeding brings the Junk to the for-front,and by simply not breeding a dog because of a fault is not the way to go. This futher reduces the “gene pool” so now by getting rid of all the “junk dogs ,one would have nothing to breed to. So the solution lies in breeding dogs with faults to dogs that do not have the same fault. I said do not display that same fault,because we do not know if the dog we use has this hidden fault,so we take a gamble it does not have the same fault. Breeding animals with faults also depends on the degree of the fault. For example, if a dog has a slight underbite, and I said slight —not a deformed jaw. One would pick a dog with a perfect scissors to breed to, in the hopes that this will correct the bite. One cannot discard a beautiful dog because of a single fault. The only exception to this rule would be temperment. A dog must have a good temperment to be used in a breeding program. Liver-shunt is another. No dog is perfect,and if it does have serious defects the dog should be euthanized. Don’t give your crap for someone else to deal with! Most problems can be corrected by dudicious breeding practices. Years ago when I was actively showing St Bernards a lady approached me wanting my opinion on whether she could show her dog or not. The dog was gorgeous! typy, massive, correct head,level top-line and superb angulation in the rear. I pushed down on his rear with all my strength, testing his hips for any weakness. His gaits were true and straight,with an amazing amount of animation for a Saint. He was a breeders dream,correct in every way,and not crippled with displasia like most Saints at the time. There was one thing wrong with him however,he lacked the symetrical mask known for the St Bernard. His right eye had the marking ,his left eye did not! Much like some of the parti dogs we now see. He was classified as a “mis-mark” and could never finish! What a pity that this otherwise almost perfect dog was denied his place in history because of a lack of color on his face. He would have contributed the one thing that the breed lacked over all—-great hips!! So a great dog was lost because of a mis-mark. He could have stamped his genes on many Saint bitches of the day to improve their hips!So I say again to all breeders,take your lemons,take a good look at their faults—shave them down if you have to— see the faults and then breed them to a dog that does not have this fault! Change your stud dogs frequently— this is important to keep the junk at bay! Don’t keep breeding the same stud to the same dog. See what clicks! Buy another stud,and keep the gene pool flowing! My opinion Margery,Acorn manor yorkies.

]]> By: Margery Kirner http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-171 Margery Kirner Sat, 07 Aug 2010 17:47:09 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-171 The hundreds of Parti yorkies that are bred today originated from about 6 dogs. So that would mean a lot of close breeding to get more of them. Close breeding brings out genetic faults. It is up to the buyers/breeders to outcross their dogs to correct all the genetic junk! There is simply no other way to breed dogs to get more of a desired color,but to in-breed. Surely the breeders that purchased their original stock knew this! In my opinion any dedicated breeder that trashes another breeder,or their dogs should not be breeding dogs in the first place. You should be sucking up your losses,and move on to improve the breed,and doing a lot of out-crossing!. To many breeders---and not new comers I might add,do not know enough about genetics and should not be breeding dogs. The purpose of a good breeder is to improve the next generation of pups over the first. The original breeders of any rare animal must in-breed to get numbers. That is a plain simple fact!! and with close in-breeding comes all the genetic juNk! Every dog carries genetic junk,and getting this junk out takes a lifetime of diligent breeding. So I say take your genetic lemons,and make lemonaide,by diligent out-crossing and stop all the whining!and name calling! Where do you think all these parti dogs came from ----trees?? no from in-breeding! My opinion, Margery Acorn manor Yorkies The hundreds of Parti yorkies that are bred today originated from about 6 dogs. So that would mean a lot of close breeding to get more of them. Close breeding brings out genetic faults. It is up to the buyers/breeders to outcross their dogs to correct all the genetic junk! There is simply no other way to breed dogs to get more of a desired color,but to in-breed. Surely the breeders that purchased their original stock knew this! In my opinion any dedicated breeder that trashes another breeder,or their dogs should not be breeding dogs in the first place. You should be sucking up your losses,and move on to improve the breed,and doing a lot of out-crossing!. To many breeders—and not new comers I might add,do not know enough about genetics and should not be breeding dogs. The purpose of a good breeder is to improve the next generation of pups over the first. The original breeders of any rare animal must in-breed to get numbers. That is a plain simple fact!! and with close in-breeding comes all the genetic juNk! Every dog carries genetic junk,and getting this junk out takes a lifetime of diligent breeding. So I say take your genetic lemons,and make lemonaide,by diligent out-crossing and stop all the whining!and name calling! Where do you think all these parti dogs came from —-trees?? no from in-breeding! My opinion, Margery Acorn manor Yorkies

]]> By: nancy a walker CA http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-170 nancy a walker CA Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:58:49 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-170 looking for nancy a walker of CA who bought a yorkie from valori allison of crownridge. If you read this please post a way to reach you. reg your court case looking for nancy a walker of CA who bought a yorkie from valori allison of crownridge. If you read this please post a way to reach you. reg your court case

]]> By: sent to me by another long time breeder. http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-168 sent to me by another long time breeder. Fri, 02 Jul 2010 08:29:42 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-168 THE FIRST MALE I GOT FROM CROWNRIDGE WAS FROM A BROTHER/SISTER BREEDING. EVERREADY THREW 18 (AT MY LAST COUNT) MALES WITH CRYPTORPIC HERNIA. A VET OF CHRISS CROSS IN FL TOLD ME EVERREADY AND THE DAME PLUS THE SIRE AND DAME OF THESE TWO SHOULD NEVER BE BRED AGAIN... I HAD TALKED WITH LORYN'S DAUGHTER ABOUT THIS AND SHE STATED, "WE DON'T HAVE ANY... See More OF THAT IN OUR LINE." THEN THEY WENT ONTO MAKE FUN OF ME FOR TELLING THAT I HAD A DEFECT IN MY LINE...I TELL ALL MY BUYERS IF THERE IS A DEFECT IN MY LINE....I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BUYING...THE NEXT DOG I TRADED LORYN FOE. I RECEIVED A 14 POUND PARTI AND SHE GOT A 5 # PARTI. THIS FEMALE HAS THROWN PUPS WHOM DON'T HAVE EGGS, CLOSED VULVA...THE LIST GOES ON. THE LAST PUP THAT EVERREADY SIRED HAD BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ORGANS. THE VET TOLD ME HE HAD NEVER SEEN SUCH A THING IN HIS LIFE AND IT CAME FROM BAD BREEDING. 7 hours ago · sent by another breeder to me. Wow the truth is comming out every where now it seems. I also have a nother crownridge dog that may have male and female parts in the same one dog. both gender seems to be there. ??? WOW !! I also here there is one more the same. THE FIRST MALE I GOT FROM CROWNRIDGE WAS FROM A BROTHER/SISTER BREEDING. EVERREADY THREW 18 (AT MY LAST COUNT) MALES WITH CRYPTORPIC HERNIA. A VET OF CHRISS CROSS IN FL TOLD ME EVERREADY AND THE DAME PLUS THE SIRE AND DAME OF THESE TWO SHOULD NEVER BE BRED AGAIN… I HAD TALKED WITH LORYN’S DAUGHTER ABOUT THIS AND SHE STATED, “WE DON’T HAVE ANY… See More OF THAT IN OUR LINE.” THEN THEY WENT ONTO MAKE FUN OF ME FOR TELLING THAT I HAD A DEFECT IN MY LINE…I TELL ALL MY BUYERS IF THERE IS A DEFECT IN MY LINE….I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BUYING…THE NEXT DOG I TRADED LORYN FOE. I RECEIVED A 14 POUND PARTI AND SHE GOT A 5 # PARTI. THIS FEMALE HAS THROWN PUPS WHOM DON’T HAVE EGGS, CLOSED VULVA…THE LIST GOES ON. THE LAST PUP THAT EVERREADY SIRED HAD BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ORGANS. THE VET TOLD ME HE HAD NEVER SEEN SUCH A THING IN HIS LIFE AND IT CAME FROM BAD BREEDING.
7 hours ago · sent by another breeder to me. Wow the truth is comming out every where now it seems. I also have a nother crownridge dog that may have male and female parts in the same one dog. both gender seems to be there. ??? WOW !! I also here there is one more the same.

]]> By: another breeder posed http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-167 another breeder posed Fri, 02 Jul 2010 08:25:23 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-167 Candise Says: May 26th, 2010 at 5:41 am After 4 years …and after buying 4 yorkies with the luxated patellas..and other Health issues, I decided to give the Parti yorkies a try… their Health is just as bad.. I am finding after much research on the Yorkies that the Breeders are not Health Testing the Parents and or the puppies before they go to their new homes….we buy them only to find out..And after the 72 health guarantee is over and most breeders do not Guarantee against Patellas cuz it is not Life Threatening.. Not Life Threatening?? MY FOOT!!! they can’t walk.. but is is us the Buyers.. that supposedly caused the bad Patellas…. All i can say is Watch Out and Take your Vet with YOU Personally to buy your Next Pup…matter of fact take 2 Vets! google them- the breeders names, get as many references as you can …some websites let the breeders delete bad Reviews yal.. are you kidding me ?if you find one honest Breeder you are dang Lucky!!!There is a very big Breeder of Partis who is sought after over her Gorgeous Partis…that they are finding out has many many Health problems now……..SO BEWARE!!!!! I wonder who the lines are you got ????? Do you know please share with us. I may already know the answer to my own question. Candise Says:
May 26th, 2010 at 5:41 am
After 4 years …and after buying 4 yorkies with the luxated patellas..and other Health issues, I decided to give the Parti yorkies a try… their Health is just as bad.. I am finding after much research on the Yorkies that the Breeders are not Health Testing the Parents and or the puppies before they go to their new homes….we buy them only to find out..And after the 72 health guarantee is over and most breeders do not Guarantee against Patellas cuz it is not Life Threatening.. Not Life Threatening?? MY FOOT!!! they can’t walk.. but is is us the Buyers.. that supposedly caused the bad Patellas…. All i can say is Watch Out and Take your Vet with YOU Personally to buy your Next Pup…matter of fact take 2 Vets! google them- the breeders names, get as many references as you can …some websites let the breeders delete bad Reviews yal.. are you kidding me ?if you find one honest Breeder you are dang Lucky!!!There is a very big Breeder of Partis who is sought after over her Gorgeous Partis…that they are finding out has many many Health problems now……..SO BEWARE!!!!!
I wonder who the lines are you got ????? Do you know please share with us.
I may already know the answer to my own question.

]]> By: Defective lines of Crownridge. dog owner. Broken hearted : ( http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-166 Defective lines of Crownridge. dog owner. Broken hearted : ( Fri, 02 Jul 2010 08:16:17 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-166 "Basically, you have paid around $7,500.00 for the first Cherry and Calli including their shipping. etc. You have the second Cherry, Calli, Piper, Phoebe and Rocko. Piper was $2,000.00, Phoebe was $2,500.00, and Rocko was $3,500.00. You also have three girls bred to Flit for no money. L ." sent to me also by loryn at crownridge so you were paid the big bucks and I now pay more bucks in vet bills. and I owe you A Litter pic I think Not. take note to the words 2nd cherry the first one is dead cherry 2 replacement. 15,000. ++++++ vet bills cannot not breed any of the dogs but 2 out of all the dogs here. Because of line defects. no wonder you wished I would of signed you contract to get you out of all the mess you made by inbreeding to much. “Basically, you have paid around $7,500.00 for the first Cherry and Calli including their shipping. etc. You have the second Cherry, Calli, Piper, Phoebe and Rocko. Piper was $2,000.00, Phoebe was $2,500.00, and Rocko was $3,500.00. You also have three girls bred to Flit for no money. L .” sent to me also by loryn at crownridge so you were paid the big bucks and I now pay more bucks in vet bills. and I owe you A Litter pic I think Not. take note to the words 2nd cherry the first one is dead cherry 2 replacement. 15,000. ++++++ vet bills cannot not breed any of the dogs but 2 out of all the dogs here. Because of line defects. no wonder you wished I would of signed you contract to get you out of all the mess you made by inbreeding to much.

]]> By: Defective lines of Crownridge owner. Broken hearted : ( http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-165 Defective lines of Crownridge owner. Broken hearted : ( Fri, 02 Jul 2010 08:05:44 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-165 you did this write up and i did not ever agree with you and you or I never ok this contract. so now what ? I would never sign some thing like this :Acceptance of this contract does hereby release Crownridge Yorkies and Loryn Bogren of any and all current or future liabilities or expenses related to any dogs purchased from Crownridge Yorkies or Loryn A. Bogren.Phyllis and Rick Rumpza agree to be responsible for any and all, past and future expenses for the dogs purchased from Crownridge Yorkies or Loryn Bogren. you must think I'm nuttz to ever sign off on this. you wish I would so you can get out of all the mess you have me in with all the defects. I have proof and many vet bills I can add them up for ya to. liabilities or expenses LOL You are getting a little smarter here But your dumb banana as you call me is not as dumb as you may think. you did this write up and i did not ever agree with you and you or I never ok this contract. so now what ?
I would never sign some thing like this :Acceptance of this contract does hereby release Crownridge Yorkies and Loryn Bogren of any and all current or future liabilities or expenses related to any dogs purchased from Crownridge Yorkies or Loryn A. Bogren.Phyllis and Rick Rumpza agree to be responsible for any and all, past and future expenses for the dogs purchased from Crownridge Yorkies or Loryn Bogren. you must think I’m nuttz to ever sign off on this. you wish I would so you can get out of all the mess you have me in with all the defects. I have proof and many vet bills I can add them up for ya to. liabilities or expenses LOL You are getting a little smarter here But your dumb banana as you call me is not as dumb as you may think.

]]> By: A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-163 A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:35:22 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-163 www.bortolinangels.com Michele Says: June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am now we can share your name as well.This is your web site. All your dogs are Crownridge so you have to try to keep a good name as a breeder.sure you check your pups well for anydefects.Oh that right you also in CA so you can sell anything you want there I forgot. as long as the heart beats and it has a body temp can be sent out for sale. We are all tired of the lies and defects being swept under the rug. Sorry I want the world to know the TRUTH !! http://www.bortolinangels.com Michele Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am now we can share your name as well.This is your web site. All your dogs are Crownridge so you have to try to keep a good name as a breeder.sure you check your pups well for anydefects.Oh that right you also in CA so you can sell anything you want there I forgot. as long as the heart beats and it has a body temp can be sent out for sale. We are all tired of the lies and defects being swept under the rug. Sorry I want the world to know the TRUTH !!

]]> By: A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-162 A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:23:28 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-162 Michele Says: June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Says: Well I can tell you This Person has told me if I don’t keep my mouth closed she will come out a hurt me. Well Phyills I have save all your terriable e-mails. Were in God name do you get off talking about a person. Just because I am not Crownridge side you say thin like that to me and you don’t even know me. It’ time to stop on go on the your like all my doge are just fine. I am so sorry you want some thing for nothing To the perple of this club be care full what you say to. Wow I love how people have nothing better to do then try to slam otheres. New new age of breeders are here to stay. And we made the choice to be true to this breed and Check out all of are Dogs for any line defects and fix the ones who have health problems as we hope to clean up all the problems now comming out. Sorry that I Choose to speek up about the defects insted of covering it up to pass on to another poor Sol. And you sent me E mail's telling me what a great dog owner I was for reporting it untill you found out they were from your Dear Friend Loryn.Then you slam me and make up lies. I'm Glad to know there are breeders who will not let this go on. And there is still hope to find a healthy Yorkie In this world from a breeder who cares to make sure the dogs are sound before a sale. Thank you for Being a great friend To Loryn and buying her dogs. OH yes I'm sure it was you who sent me a pic of a blue born yorkie you also had from your crownridge dog And I also save all E mails. Do not care what you or anyone thinks I will always Speek the Truth sometimes the truth hurts. So Happy we had moved on passed all the slaming and bashing others then here we go again. Have a great Sunshine filled Day. I sure will : ) what would you need to shut up about any way ?? All the Lies ?? I had moved on long ago I guess you were still board and have notta to do all day. feel sorry for ya. I will still be here long after you and Crownridge I'm sure so cheer up Michele Life is to short to be a gabber all day and not enjoy the fine things of life. Like a Great healthy loving Yorkie. You should Get your self one of them. And have a better Life. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE OTHER BREEDERS WHO KNOW THE TRUTH IS OUT AND SUPPORT ME YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE :) LOVE AND LIGHT, PHYLLIS Michele Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am
A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Says:

Well I can tell you This Person has told me if I don’t keep my mouth closed she will come out a hurt me. Well Phyills I have save all your terriable e-mails. Were in God name do you get off talking about a person. Just because I am not Crownridge side you say thin like that to me and you don’t even know me. It’ time to stop on go on the your like all my doge are just fine. I am so sorry you want some thing for nothing To the perple of this club be care full what you say to. Wow I love how people have nothing better to do then try to slam otheres. New new age of breeders are here to stay. And we made the choice to be true to this breed and Check out all of are Dogs for any line defects and fix the ones who have health problems as we hope to clean up all the problems now comming out. Sorry that I Choose to speek up about the defects insted of covering it up to pass on to another poor Sol. And you sent me E mail’s telling me what a great dog owner I was for reporting it untill you found out they were from your Dear Friend Loryn.Then you slam me and make up lies. I’m Glad to know there are breeders who will not let this go on. And there is still hope to find a healthy Yorkie In this world from a breeder who cares to make sure the dogs are sound before a sale. Thank you for Being a great friend To Loryn and buying her dogs. OH yes I’m sure it was you who sent me a pic of a blue born yorkie you also had from your crownridge dog And I also save all E mails. Do not care what you or anyone thinks I will always Speek the Truth sometimes the truth hurts. So Happy we had moved on passed all the slaming and bashing others then here we go again. Have a great Sunshine filled Day. I sure will : ) what would you need to shut up about any way ?? All the Lies ?? I had moved on long ago I guess you were still board and have notta to do all day. feel sorry for ya. I will still be here long after you and Crownridge I’m sure so cheer up Michele Life is to short to be a gabber all day and not enjoy the fine things of life. Like a Great healthy loving Yorkie. You should Get your self one of them. And have a better Life. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE OTHER BREEDERS WHO KNOW THE TRUTH IS OUT AND SUPPORT ME YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE :) LOVE AND LIGHT, PHYLLIS

]]> By: A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL http://www.whiteyorkie.com/akc-white-yorkie-registration/comment-page-1/#comment-161 A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:55:54 +0000 http://www.whiteyorkie.com/?p=158#comment-161 Michele Says: June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Says: Well I can tell you This Person has told me if I don’t keep my mouth closed she will come out a hurt me. Well Phyills I have save all your terriable e-mails. Were in God name do you get off talking about a person. Just because I am not Crownridge side you say thin like that to me and you don’t even know me. It’ time to stop on go on the your like all my doge are just fine. I am so sorry you want some thing for nothing To the perple of this club be care full what you say to. Michele Says:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am
A LIST PARTI YORKIES ORLANDO ,FL Says:

Well I can tell you This Person has told me if I don’t keep my mouth closed she will come out a hurt me. Well Phyills I have save all your terriable e-mails. Were in God name do you get off talking about a person. Just because I am not Crownridge side you say thin like that to me and you don’t even know me. It’ time to stop on go on the your like all my doge are just fine. I am so sorry you want some thing for nothing To the perple of this club be care full what you say to.

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